From shammer@daemon.li Thu Jul 24 05:13:12 2003 Return-Path: Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917B937B47B for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 05:13:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ac-net.at (secure.ac-net.at [212.24.125.8]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E4F743F75 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 05:12:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from shammer@daemon.li) Received: from localhost (server.ac-net.at [127.0.0.1]) by mail.ac-net.at (AC-net Mailserver v1.3a) with ESMTP id C35FD3FEE for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:12:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from daemon.li (dsl-235-87.utaonline.at [212.152.235.87]) by mail.ac-net.at (AC-net Mailserver v1.3a) with SMTP id D47003F8E for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 12:12:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 985 invoked from network); 24 Jul 2003 12:14:15 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO daemon.li) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Jul 2003 12:14:15 -0000 Received: (from shammer@localhost) by daemon.li (8.12.6/8.12.7/Submit) id h6OCEFri000983; Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:14:15 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from shammer) Message-Id: <200307241214.h6OCEFri000983@daemon.li> Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:14:15 +0200 (CEST) From: Josef El-Rayes Reply-To: Josef El-Rayes To: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@freebsd.org Cc: Subject: [patch] adds fvwm2 to x11-wm X-Send-Pr-Version: 3.113 X-GNATS-Notify: >Number: 54806 >Category: docs >Synopsis: [patch] adds fvwm2 to x11-wm >Confidential: no >Severity: non-critical >Priority: low >Responsible: freebsd-doc >State: closed >Quarter: >Keywords: >Date-Required: >Class: update >Submitter-Id: current-users >Arrival-Date: Thu Jul 24 05:20:09 PDT 2003 >Closed-Date: Thu Jan 15 13:24:52 PST 2004 >Last-Modified: Thu Jan 15 13:24:52 PST 2004 >Originator: Josef El-Rayes >Release: FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE i386 >Organization: >Environment: System: FreeBSD daemon.li 4.8-STABLE FreeBSD 4.8-STABLE #8: Tue Jul 22 18:16:23 CEST 2003 root@daemon.li:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/CUSTOM i386 >Description: This adds fvwm2 to x11-wm page. In my opinion this was definitely missing. When there is some content about gnome, kde and xfce, there should also be some content about the 'mother of window managers & desktop environments'. If appreciated i could add some text about blackbox and its offsprings. >How-To-Repeat: >Fix: --- chapter.sgml.diff begins here --- --- chapter.sgml.orig Thu Jul 24 12:57:49 2003 +++ chapter.sgml Thu Jul 24 14:10:27 2003 @@ -1641,6 +1641,48 @@ the section on kdm. + + FVWM + + About FVWM + FVWM is an extremely powerful ICCCM-compliant multiple virtual + desktop window manager, designed to minimal memory consumption. + Functionality can be enhanced by the use of various modules. + Some of FVWM's features are: + + + + GNOME Window Manager hints support + + + Session management support + + + Initial internationalization support + + + Xinerama extension support + + + + More information on FVWM can be found on the FVWM Website. + + + Installing FVWM + + There is a binary package available for FVWM. + To install, simply type: + &prompt.root; pkg_add -r fvwm2 + + Alternatively, to build from source, use the ports collection: + &prompt.root; cd /usr/ports/x11-wm/fvwm2 + &prompt.root; make install clean + + There are also packages for the fvwm-1.X + and fvwm-2.5.X branches available + + --- chapter.sgml.diff ends here --- >Release-Note: >Audit-Trail: From: underway@comcast.net (Gary W. Swearingen) To: Josef El-Rayes Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/54806: [patch] adds fvwm2 to x11-wm Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 10:09:40 -0700 Josef El-Rayes writes: > --- chapter.sgml.diff begins here --- I didn't see where the PR mentioned what chapter this is. > + FVWM is an extremely powerful ICCCM-compliant multiple virtual > + desktop window manager, designed to minimal memory consumption. Did you mean to say ", designed to minimize memory consumption."? But giving window manager designers the benefit of my doubt, I suppose they can all honestly say they designed that way, so it might be better to have some weasel words like " which uses less memory than many other popular window managers." Thanks for thinking of good old "fvwm". (I tried using some others but am using it again because it's both simple enough and powerful enough to easily do what I want it to do.) From: Marc Fonvieille To: Josef El-Rayes Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/54806: [patch] adds fvwm2 to x11-wm Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:32:19 +0200 On Thu, Jul 24, 2003 at 02:14:15PM +0200, Josef El-Rayes wrote: > >Description: > This adds fvwm2 to x11-wm page. In my opinion this was > definitely missing. When there is some content about gnome, > kde and xfce, there should also be some content about the > 'mother of window managers & desktop environments'. > If appreciated i could add some text about blackbox and its > offsprings. > This section focus mainly on "desktops environments", but why not talking about some window managers. So why FVWM 2 and not TWM, AfterStep, Window Maker, IceWM, fluxbox etc. ? FVWM is a great window manager but I don't think the audience of that section will like FVWM. Why not adding a link to the http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ page (this page is guide to all window managers.) and then pointing the reader to our ports/x11-wm directory? Tell me what you think about that. Marc From: Josef El-Rayes To: Marc Fonvieille Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/54806: [patch] adds fvwm2 to x11-wm Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:45:05 +0200 Marc Fonvieille wrote: > This section focus mainly on "desktops environments", but why not > talking about some window managers. So why FVWM 2 and not TWM, > AfterStep, Window Maker, IceWM, fluxbox etc. ? When i looked at this section i had the feeling that there was not enough. It perfectly talks about Gnome and KDE, the big two players, but i think it is important, to at least mention the alternatives. The reason why i decided to talk about fvwm2 is that it comes very near to a desktop environment. It has a panel, it manages sessions and multiple desktops. And i thought adding fvwm is like saying "hey unix world is more than gnome & kde". ok there is XFce but it is more a gnome without gnome-libs - like galeon is mozilla without xul (roughly defined). the next reason was, that greg lehey also mentioned fvwm2 as a kde alternative in his book, so i thought, ok this is what gurus think :) > Why not adding a link to the http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ page (this > page is guide to all window managers.) and then pointing the reader to > our ports/x11-wm directory? my patch is intended to be a "food for thought" - i am not happy with the current version of this chapter. i think my patch is one way to handle this, -> to add the most popular window managers, fvwm2, blackbox (with a mentioning of its offsprings), enlightenment and so on. what about linking some screenshots (this is what quite some people requested at our freebsd booth at linuxtag - "how does it actually look like"). another way good way is your [marc's] proposal to shorten this up and link to a patch that covers this topic and just linking it with a short description. i think i do not have enough experience on writing for the handbook to know what fits better into the handbook's style. in my opinion best solution is a compromise between this to solutions. to give a short overview of the windowmanagers available in ports, with their most important characteristics and linking some screenshots and giving the link to the above mentioned url for further reference. so to give a short answer, i added fvwm as a start to see, whether it is appreciated to add other windowmanagers to this section or not. greets, josef -- www: http://www.daemon.li nic-hdl: JER1080312-NICAT FreeBSD PortMaintainer "Make World - Not War!" From: Josef El-Rayes To: "Gary W. Swearingen" Cc: FreeBSD-gnats-submit@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: docs/54806: [patch] adds fvwm2 to x11-wm Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:52:47 +0200 "Gary W. Swearingen" wrote: > I didn't see where the PR mentioned what chapter this is. i have to admit i was a bit sloppy here. for me x11-wm (the name of the file that generates) was enough. next time i will give more verbose information on this. > > + FVWM is an extremely powerful ICCCM-compliant multiple virtual > > + desktop window manager, designed to minimal memory consumption. > Did you mean to say ", designed to minimize memory consumption."? i was not aware of the subtle difference between these two expressions :) i am more of a technican than a linguist. i will be more careful in the future. > Thanks for thinking of good old "fvwm". for me it is (as i expressed it in my patch) the 'mother of wm', so it deserves an entry in the handbook, when we talk about desktops. greets and thanks for the feedback, josef -- www: http://www.daemon.li nic-hdl: JER1080312-NICAT FreeBSD PortMaintainer "Make World - Not War!" State-Changed-From-To: open->closed State-Changed-By: josef State-Changed-When: Thu Jan 15 13:24:17 PST 2004 State-Changed-Why: The submitter(me) said, this one can be closed http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/query-pr.cgi?pr=54806 >Unformatted: