From owner-freebsd-newbies Mon Jan 1 9:22:52 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 1 09:22:47 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from whiterose.net (whiterose.net [199.245.105.145]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41DCB37B400 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 09:22:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from ccrider2k (adsl-141-151-201-154.cptl.adsl.bellatlantic.net [141.151.201.154]) by whiterose.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id f01HMob28139; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:22:51 -0500 From: "Robert Myers" To: "'Brandon L. Newport'" , Subject: RE: Need Assistance ASAP -- PLEASE Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 12:20:57 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c07417$34c3a240$0201a8c0@ccrider2k> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C073ED.4BED9A40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-reply-to: <015d01c07386$c106e3c0$1001220a@zeus> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C073ED.4BED9A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I know Linux pretty well. I work with Solaris and NT but I dont know FreeBSD. I am the the newbie stages of learning it. You should be OK then. There are similarities. :) Here is what he wants: (These are the things that have to up and running by next weekend or I will be force to use Linux or NT) file and print shares ( I dont know samba real good.....yet) Well, under Linux or FreeBSD, samba is your best option. There is a config tool that will help you out, SWAT, or you could use webmin. dialout internet connectivity so that when other machines want to go to internet it auto dials performs NAT and acts as the firewall (I know this is not real secure but it will be a temporary fix) There is a really handy tutorial on how to setup ppp to do all that you want at: http://www.freebsd.org/tutorials/ppp/index.html somehow to fetch email from his ISP accounts for all employees and download it locally to the server IMAP so he can check mail for any machine This should be the same under Linux, a lot of people use Fetchmail, and IMAP is in the ports tree. Eventually he would like faxes and voice mail to come and go from this machine by using email (not quite sure what I am going to do about that one) You could use HylaFax, that has some nice functionality, there are other packages too. Good Luck. Robert Myers Systems Administrator White Rose Internet Service http://whiterose.net (717)439-1478 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C073ED.4BED9A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I know Linux pretty well.  I = work with=20 Solaris and NT but I dont know FreeBSD.  I am the the newbie = stages of=20 learning it.
 
 
    You should be OK = then.  There=20 are similarities. :)
 
 

Here is what he wants: (These are = the things=20 that have to up and running by next weekend or I will be force to use = Linux or=20 NT)
file and print shares ( I dont know samba real = good.....yet) 
 
   =20 Well, under Linux or FreeBSD, samba is your best option.  There = is a=20 config tool that will help you out, SWAT, or you could use=20 webmin.
 
dialout internet = connectivity so=20 that when other machines want to go to internet it auto dials performs = NAT and=20 acts as the firewall (I know this is not real secure but it will be a=20 temporary fix) 
 
    There is a really handy = tutorial=20 on how to setup ppp to do all that you want at: http://www.freeb= sd.org/tutorials/ppp/index.html
 
somehow to fetch email = from his ISP=20 accounts for all employees and download it locally to the = server
IMAP so he=20 can check mail for any machine 
 
    This should be the same = under=20 Linux, a lot of people use Fetchmail, and IMAP is in the ports=20 tree.
 
Eventually he would like faxes and = voice mail to=20 come and go from this machine by using email (not quite sure what I am = going=20 to do about that one) 
 
   =20 You could use HylaFax, that has some nice functionality, there are = other=20 packages too.
 
 Good Luck.
 

Robert Myers
Systems Administrator
White Rose=20 Internet Service
http://whiterose.net=20
(717)439-1478=20


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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; Boundary="0__=54RWynAJJdWsnKZUCkj94duj6O0LQqVd63eSOprjhF65StXIguceSyFg" Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --0__=54RWynAJJdWsnKZUCkj94duj6O0LQqVd63eSOprjhF65StXIguceSyFg Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello, there is not -yet- any FreeBSD-compatible USB ADSL modem. there is a product by Alcatel, for which a Linux driver should be released in some time. (this driver, if it was open-source, could be a good start for an independant FreeBSD driver) I don't think there will be *soon* a FreeBSD driver (the development is done for the most popular platforms, and FreeBSD is not one of those) TfH JonMS2010@aol.com on 30/12/2000 00:04:45 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG cc: freebsd-isp@FreeBSD.ORG(bcc: Thierry HERBELOT/FR/ALCATEL) Subject: USB ADSL Modem -- Compatible? 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To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown Message-ID: <5d.5545284.2783ad76@aol.com> Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I think when I was doing my first install I really fudged it up. Anyway, I wanted to re-install the whole OS and I was wondering can I just install it on top of the original or do I have to blow away the old in order to re-install. Thanks!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Tue Jan 2 14:36: 0 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jan 2 14:35:58 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from darius.concentric.net (darius.concentric.net [207.155.198.79]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADBD037B400 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id RAA00015; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:35:57 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Errors-To: Received: from ts006d21.mer-id.concentric.net (ts006d21.mer-id.concentric.net [208.177.68.33]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id RAA10817; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:35:54 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:33:36 -0700 (MST) From: ML Duke To: MrK1nt@aol.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Install issue, PLZ HELP. In-Reply-To: <5d.5545284.2783ad76@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org When you partition the disk, it will "blow" the old away for you. Just make the new a tad different from the former. Duke > I think when I was doing my first install I really fudged it up. Anyway, I > wanted to re-install the whole OS and I was wondering can I just install it > on top of the original or do I have to blow away the old in order to > re-install. Thanks!! > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 3 6:37: 6 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 06:37:03 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from porgy.srv.nld.sonera.net (porgy.srv.nld.sonera.net [195.66.15.137]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7588A37B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 06:37:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from qn-213-73-160-215.quicknet.nl ([213.73.160.215]:1042 "HELO dj.donselaar") by soneramail.nl with SMTP id ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:36:57 +0100 From: P.van Donselaar To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: network problems Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 15:18:46 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01010315362303.00499@dj.donselaar> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I can't connect to my gateway computer and thus not to the internet. I'm using two computers,both with FreeBSD 3.3 installed, the gateway is configured as follows: rc.conf: # This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf # please make all changes to this file. # -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # ifconfig_fxp0="DHCP" linux_enable="YES" moused_port="/dev/psm0" moused_enable="YES" saver="logo" keymap="uk.cp850" gateway_enable="YES" network_interfaces="fxp0 lo0 de0" hostname="dj.donselaar" firewall_enable="YES" firewall_type="open" natd_program="/sbin/natd" natd_enable="YES" natd_interface="fxp0" natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf" ifconfig_de0="inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" xntpd_enable="YES" xntpd_flags="" start_vinum="YES" I've build my kernel with the options: IPFIREWALL and IPDIVERT When I run win2000 on the gateway computer I can ping in both directions, With BSD 3.3 release running I got the message: sendto: host is down It looks like a small problem, Has anyone a suggestion? Thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 3 11:43:28 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 11:43:24 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp.smed.com (unknown [64.46.248.11]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455D637B400; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 11:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtpgate.shrmed.com (unknown [64.46.248.2]) by smtp.smed.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDA71623F; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:43:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from iesa14.shrmed.com (iesa14.shrmed.com [10.1.99.114]) by smtpgate.shrmed.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23725; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:43:22 -0500 From: Joe.Warner@smed.com Received: from Deimos.smed.com (unverified) by iesa14.shrmed.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id ; Wed, 03 Jan 2001 14:43:18 -0500 Received: by Deimos.smed.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.5 (863.2 5-20-1999)) id 852569C9.006C2166 ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:41:04 -0500 X-Lotus-FromDomain: SMS To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Message-Id: <852569C9.006C2079.00@Deimos.smed.com> Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 12:43:50 -0700 Subject: INFORMATIONWEEK Acknowleges the *BSDs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Today at lunch, while thumbing through last month's issue of Informationweek, I just about fell out of my chair when I got to the last page of this article: http://www.informationweek.com/817/source.htm ...and to think I thought they only knew about M$ and Linux. Cheers Joe To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 3 14:57:56 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 14:57:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F355437B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 14:57:52 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id IAA09046; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 08:57:13 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpdHz9044; Thu Jan 4 08:57:04 2001 Message-ID: <00e201c075d9$ee8328e0$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "P.van Donselaar" , References: <01010315362303.00499@dj.donselaar> Subject: Re: network problems Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 09:07:17 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org I did a quite verbose tutorial on this stuff a while back .... still current on most issues I believe. You can read it online, or download the whole thing (~15Mb) at http://troll.apana.org.au/~freebsd ----- Original Message ----- From: "P.van Donselaar" To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 12:18 AM Subject: network problems > I can't connect to my gateway computer and thus not to the internet. I'm using > two computers,both with FreeBSD 3.3 installed, the gateway is configured as > follows: rc.conf: > # This file now contains just the overrides from /etc/defaults/rc.conf > # please make all changes to this file. > > # -- sysinstall generated deltas -- # > ifconfig_fxp0="DHCP" > linux_enable="YES" > moused_port="/dev/psm0" > moused_enable="YES" > saver="logo" > keymap="uk.cp850" > gateway_enable="YES" > network_interfaces="fxp0 lo0 de0" > hostname="dj.donselaar" > firewall_enable="YES" > firewall_type="open" > natd_program="/sbin/natd" > natd_enable="YES" > natd_interface="fxp0" > natd_flags="-f /etc/natd.conf" > ifconfig_de0="inet 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0" > xntpd_enable="YES" > xntpd_flags="" > start_vinum="YES" > > I've build my kernel with the options: > IPFIREWALL and IPDIVERT > > When I run win2000 on the gateway computer I can ping in both directions, With > BSD 3.3 release running I got the message: sendto: host is down > It looks like a small problem, > Has anyone a suggestion? > > Thanks > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 3 17:33:44 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 17:33:43 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from hotmail.com (f127.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.127]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E69F37B402 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:33:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:33:37 -0800 Received: from 203.121.127.130 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 04 Jan 2001 01:33:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [203.121.127.130] From: "BSD Blood" To: dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Site not accessible Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 01:33:37 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Jan 2001 01:33:37.0828 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C578640:01C075EE] Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org http://troll.apana.org.au/~freebsd can't be accessed. However, it worked last week. TK _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Wed Jan 3 17:37:46 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 3 17:37:44 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from goblin.apana.org.au (goblin.apana.org.au [203.3.126.3]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E46037B400 for ; Wed, 3 Jan 2001 17:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by goblin.apana.org.au (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA09207; Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:37:35 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au) Received: from roadrunner.apana.org.au(203.3.126.132), claiming to be "roadrunner" via SMTP by goblin.apana.org.au, id smtpded9205; Thu Jan 4 11:37:31 2001 Message-ID: <01bc01c075f0$590d0440$847e03cb@apana.org.au> From: "Doug Young" To: "BSD Blood" , References: Subject: Re: Site not accessible Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 11:47:28 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Yeah ...... 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Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Does 4.2-STABLE support the D-Link DFE-660 32-bit CardBus 10/100 card? The card is a based on the Intel 21143/2 controller. 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------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C07721.BEB960E0-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 5 17:24:18 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 17:24:14 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from phoenix.welearn.com.au (unknown [139.130.44.81]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DFEC37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 17:24:11 -0800 (PST) Received: (from sue@localhost) by phoenix.welearn.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA66217 for freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:30:15 +1100 (EST) (envelope-from sue) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:30:15 +1100 (EST) From: Sue Blake Message-Id: <200101060130.MAA66217@phoenix.welearn.com.au> To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit Sender: sue@phoenix.welearn.com.au Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are doing the same things that we do as newbies. One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: When something doesn't work the way you expect 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and security advisories. 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. Mailing lists When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as more general and advanced questions. You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the recent questions and their answers. Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when they get questions which are difficult to understand. http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to the support mailing list. Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. Other mailing lists (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for advice about where to post a more specialised question. FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. Manuals You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not always as easy as it sounds! If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html Other resources A resource list is available at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a suggestion for good material to be included, please write to freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. But I have seen people asking questions here! It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose job it is to sort these problems out privately. The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies so we all make mistakes. That's OK. One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. _________________________________________________________________ To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. _________________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 5 18:22:56 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 18:22:55 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r04.mx.aol.com (imo-r04.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.4]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B3C37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 18:22:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com by imo-r04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id n.a3.1015f7d8 (4426) for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:22:50 -0500 (EST) From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 21:22:48 EST Subject: The Ports Collection... To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 59 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Ok, hey guys :), i have two computers, one (the "family" computer) runs windows and is connected to the internet, two (my computer) is running FreeBSD and will be connected as soon as i get an external, now i want to install the ports collection, i know that the most popular way is off the internet with, "make install" i know that make install checks for cdrom to download the sources from, this is what i need to download from so here is my question: i have the "FreeBSD Desktop Edition, it has 4 cd's 1). Installation Cd 2). Live file system 3). Extra packages 4). Extra packages ( the cd's came with a cool daemon logo cd holder :) ) anyways, which cd do i mount to install the ports from? the 3rd? 4th? it depends? i dont know any help is appreciated thanks To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Fri Jan 5 22:25:55 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Jan 5 22:25:50 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.bertrandtech.on.ca (beastie.bertrandtech.on.ca [209.167.177.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 633BC37B400 for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:25:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from grendel.bertrandtech.on.ca (cr120189-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com [24.114.29.31]) by beastie.bertrandtech.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48707B48; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 06:25:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grendel.bts (grendel.bts [192.168.250.4]) by grendel.bertrandtech.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FC011D0C; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:52:56 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 01:52:56 -0500 (EST) From: Louis Bertrand X-Sender: louis@grendel.bts To: Sue Blake Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit In-Reply-To: <200101060130.MAA66217@phoenix.welearn.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Sue, Thanks for that post. The FreeBSD world is quite large and somewhat disorienting. I come from OpenBSD and it's like walking into your house to find that the furniture got moved around. What attracted me was the hope of running Star Office (under Linux emulation) or Applixware so I wouldn't have to reboot into Windows whenever someone sends me a MS-Word document (too schizo). Ciao --Louis Louis Bertrand http://www.bertrandtech.on.ca/ Bertrand Technical Services, Bowmanville, ON, Canada Tel: +1.905.623.1500 Fax: +1.905.623.3852 OpenBSD: Secure by default. http://www.openbsd.org/ On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Sue Blake wrote: > > FreeBSD-Newbies First Aid Kit > > (This is a regular posting to the FreeBSD-Newbies mailing list. > It is also available at http://www.welearn.com.au/freebsd/newbies/) > > FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG is the place to send all questions about > installing, configuring, running and using FreeBSD. All help requests > are handled by FreeBSD-Questions, including newbies questions. > > FreeBSD-Newbies is different. We don't ask for help or answer how-to > questions. It is a discussion forum for newbies. > > FreeBSD-Newbies provides a place for new FreeBSD users to meet and > covers any of the activities of newbies that are not already dealt > with elsewhere. Examples include helping each other to learn more on > our own, finding and using resources, problem solving techniques, how > to seek help elsewhere, how to use mailing lists and which lists to > use, general chat, making mistakes, boasting, sharing ideas, stories, > moral (but not technical) support, and taking an active part in the > FreeBSD community. We take our problems and support questions to > freebsd-questions, and use freebsd-newbies to meet others who are > doing the same things that we do as newbies. > > One of the things we do together is learn more effective ways to find > help when we need it. Here are some suggestions: > > When something doesn't work the way you expect > > 1. First look at the errata for your release of FreeBSD at > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/releases/ for the latest information and > security advisories. > 2. Search the Handbook, FAQ, and mail archives at > http://www.FreeBSD.ORG/search.html > 3. If you still have a question or problem, collect the output of > `uname -a' and of any relevant program(s) and email your question > to FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. > > Mailing lists > > When you have a problem that you can't solve by yourself, there's only > one support mailing list and that's FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.ORG. > FreeBSD-questions helps with installation and basic setup as well as > more general and advanced questions. > > You don't have to actually join freebsd-questions before asking a > question there. Replies to your question will normally be sent to you > personally as well as to the list. Just make sure you have read and > followed the guidelines for posting, because you might find them > different to what you're used to. If you do subscribe to > freebsd-questions you'll have the advantage of seeing all of the > recent questions and their answers. > > Before you post to FreeBSD-questions, please read the guidelines at > http://www.lemis.com/questions.html Many of the people who answer > FreeBSD-questions are very knowledgeable, but they get frustrated when > they get questions which are difficult to understand. > http://www.lemis.com/email.html is worth reading too. > > If you're not sure that you can follow these guidelines, come back and > ask the other newbies for help on how to post an effective question to > the support mailing list. > > Maybe your question has been asked before. If you search the mailing > list archives at http://www.freebsd.org/search.html first you might > get the answer right away. It's always worth trying. > > Other mailing lists > (http://www.freebsd.org/handbook/eresources.html#ERESOURCES-CHARTERS) > cover specialised areas and many are more developer-oriented. You'll > need to read their charters carefully before participating, but it's > probably a good idea to ask on either -newbies or -questions for > advice about where to post a more specialised question. > > FreeBSD-announce is a very low volume read-only list for occasional > announcements, such as notice of new releases, and the Really Quick > Newsletter. It's worth subscribing to FreeBSD-announce too. > > Manuals > > You'll always be expected to show that you have made some effort to > use the available documentation before asking for help. That's not > always as easy as it sounds! > > If you know what documentation you need but can't locate it, send a > brief query to FreeBSD-questions. If you don't know what you need, > always have trouble finding it, or can't make any sense of it when you > do, ask some patient newbies to steer you in the right direction. > > Anyone interested in writing or reviewing documentation for FreeBSD is > encouraged to join the FreeBSD Documentation Project. Details are at > http://www.freebsd.org/docproj/docproj.html > > Other resources > > A resource list is available at > http://www.freebsd.org/projects/newbies.html to help new and > inexperienced FreeBSD users to find relevant information quickly. It > includes books, on line documents and tutorials, and links to web > pages that other newbies have found useful for learning. If you have a > suggestion for good material to be included, please write to > freebsd-newbies and tell us about it. > > But I have seen people asking questions here! > > It is quite common for people to send the wrong kind of post to a > mailing list. Because we're newbies it'll certainly happen here from > time to time. The best thing to do if you see a message that doesn't > belong on a list is to ignore it. There's always someone around whose > job it is to sort these problems out privately. > > The posts to the lists go straight through, whatever their content. It > is going to be confusing for a little while because we're all newbies > so we all make mistakes. That's OK. > > One thing we're going to see a fair bit is people posting questions, > believing they're doing the right thing by posting here as newbies, > not realising how it works. If someone answers those questions the > situation will snowball. There's nothing wrong with helping someone to > redirect their question to freebsd-questions, but please do so gently. > There's nothing wrong with the occasional mistake either. > > So all questions, requests for help, etc still go to freebsd-questions > as usual. Ours is more of a discussion group, a place where newbies > can relax with other newbies and focus more on our successes than on > our temporary imperfection. We can talk about things here that are not > allowed on freebsd-questions. We're also a bit freer to make the > mistakes that we need to make in order to learn. > _________________________________________________________________ > > To Subscribe to FreeBSD-Newbies: > Send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "subscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message. > > Mail sent to freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org appears on the mailing list. > _________________________________________________________________ > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 6 7:15:25 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 07:15:23 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from whizkidtech.net (r6.bfm.org [216.127.220.102]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B362537B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 07:15:21 -0800 (PST) Received: (from adam@localhost) by whizkidtech.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) id JAA00261; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:14:07 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:13:31 -0600 From: "G. Adam Stanislav" To: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: The Ports Collection... Message-ID: <20010106091331.A241@whizkidtech.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: ; from GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com on Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 09:22:48PM -0500 Organization: Whiz Kid Technomagic X-URL: http://www.whizkidtech.net/ X-Castle: http://www.redprince.net/ X-Special-Effects: http://www.FilmSFX.com/ X-Operating-System: FreeBSD whizkidtech.net 3.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 3.1-RELEASE Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 09:22:48PM -0500, GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com wrote: >install the ports collection, i know that the most popular way is off the >internet with, "make install" No, the most popular way is to install only the ports you need, when you need them, by changing to the appropriate port directory and typing "make install clean" (or "make install" if for some reason you want to keep all the source code). There is very little point in installing the entire port collection, certainly not all at once, and definitely not from the Internet! Not only would it take forever (weeks, perhaps), it would install many ports that do the same thing as some other ports. It would also install many of the same ports in Chinese, Japanese, German, Russian, etc. Do you really need all that? Cheers, Adam -- Perfection is for neurotics To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 6 10:39:10 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 10:39:09 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from smtp2.port.ru (mx2.port.ru [194.67.23.33]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2C4F37B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:39:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from glan.dialup.ru ([194.87.16.186] helo=mail.ru) by smtp2.port.ru with esmtp (Exim 3.14 #84) id 14EyF9-000B8p-00 for freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 06 Jan 2001 21:39:07 +0300 Message-ID: <3A57662F.67387ED6@mail.ru> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 21:38:39 +0300 From: black-beetle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.org Subject: =?koi8-r?Q?=FA=C4=D2=C1=D7=D3=D4=D7=D5=CA=D4=C5=21=21=21?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Подскажите пожалуйста где можно найти информацию как можно заставить работать G450 с XFree86 3.3.6 может такие вопросы уже возникали??? Спасибо !!! To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 6 12:29:52 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 12:29:51 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from dt051n37.san.rr.com (dt051n37.san.rr.com [204.210.32.55]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A18C037B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:29:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from gorean.org (master [10.0.0.2]) by dt051n37.san.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA25240; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 12:29:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from DougB@gorean.org) Message-ID: <3A578016.479A218E@gorean.org> Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 12:29:10 -0800 From: Doug Barton Organization: Triborough Bridge & Tunnel Authority X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Louis Bertrand Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Louis Bertrand wrote: > What attracted me was the hope of running Star Office (under Linux > emulation) or Applixware so I wouldn't have to reboot into Windows > whenever someone sends me a MS-Word document (too schizo). Word on the lists is that star office under linux compatability mode is a giant pita, whereas applixware has a native freebsd version that runs quite well. Good luck, Doug To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 6 14:30: 2 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 14:29:59 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.bertrandtech.on.ca (beastie.bertrandtech.on.ca [209.167.177.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B33C37B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:29:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from grendel.bertrandtech.on.ca (cr120189-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com [24.114.29.31]) by beastie.bertrandtech.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9537BB48; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 22:30:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grendel.bts (grendel.bts [192.168.250.4]) by grendel.bertrandtech.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8075911D0C; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:57:12 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:57:12 -0500 (EST) From: Louis Bertrand X-Sender: louis@grendel.bts To: Doug Barton Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: office suites (was: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit) In-Reply-To: <3A578016.479A218E@gorean.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Doug, Yes, but hopefully not more of a PITA than rebooting into Windows when someone sends me a MS-Word doc. Actually this is turning into an interesting experiment. I've just downloaded StarOffice and it seems to be running just fine (bloated download -- I'm glad I have a cable modem!). I also have a release of ApplixWare which I bought last year and never used, and finally, I'm going to get a copy of Corel WordPerfect for Linux (although, business-wise, Corel may not be a viable Linux player for long). I'll keep notes. Ciao --Louis On Sat, 6 Jan 2001, Doug Barton wrote: > Louis Bertrand wrote: > > > What attracted me was the hope of running Star Office (under Linux > > emulation) or Applixware so I wouldn't have to reboot into Windows > > whenever someone sends me a MS-Word document (too schizo). > > Word on the lists is that star office under linux compatability mode is > a giant pita, whereas applixware has a native freebsd version that runs > quite well. > > Good luck, > > Doug > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 6 14:53:55 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 14:53:54 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r15.mail.aol.com (imo-r15.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.69]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E3437B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 14:53:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id n.59.5302394 (4155) for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:53:46 -0500 (EST) From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Message-ID: <59.5302394.2788fbfa@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:53:46 EST Subject: Re: office suites (was: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 59 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hey i use applixware and i like it alot... i don't see the point of using an emulator to run star office when applixware can run right on FreeBSD... but to each his own later man -Arthur To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 6 15:12:59 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 15:12:57 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pravda.tenzo.net (24.69.46.73.bc.wave.home.com [24.69.46.73]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57E0037B402 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:12:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by pravda.tenzo.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id 1EAE4C2C4; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:14:22 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Michael O'Henly Reply-To: michael@tenzo.com Organization: TENZO Design To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Subject: Re: office suites (was: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:14:21 -0800 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <59.5302394.2788fbfa@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <59.5302394.2788fbfa@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01010615142100.23575@pravda.tenzo.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: michael@pravda.tenzo.net Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hi... I use Applixware under Linux. I'm thinking about trying out FreeBSD and part of that decision would involve whether or not Applix is well-supported on FreeBSD. Is it? What is the current version / build number? (On Linux, it's 5.0 / 1416). Thanks. M. On Saturday 06 January 2001 14:53, you wrote: > hey i use applixware and i like it alot... i don't see the point of using > an emulator to run star office when applixware can run right on FreeBSD... > but to each his own later man -Arthur > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message -- Michael O'Henly TENZO Design To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 6 15:20:32 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 15:20:30 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E074137B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:20:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id n.94.e67e11c (4155) for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:20:25 -0500 (EST) From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Message-ID: <94.e67e11c.27890239@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:20:25 EST Subject: Re: office suites (was: Re: FreeBSD Newbies First Aid Kit) To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 59 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org oh i see! yes of course it is supported i have the "BSD Desktop Edition" and that comes with Applixware, Applixware is fully supported under FreeBSD, and it works great! The Edition i bought came with a user guide for Applixware and everything (and a cool little daemon cd holder) so sure Applixware is supported under FreeBSD you don't need an emulator or anything later! -Arthur To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 6 16:12:42 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 16:12:40 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD22537B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:12:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-a077.otenet.gr [212.205.215.77]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f070Cel08074; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:12:41 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f070ETr35012; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:14:29 +0200 (EET) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:14:29 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: JonMS2010@aol.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Would this work? Message-ID: <20010107021429.A34982@hades.hell.gr> References: <66.ab54e1f.277b88c3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <66.ab54e1f.277b88c3@aol.com>; from JonMS2010@aol.com on Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 01:02:43PM -0500 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 X-URL: http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~keramida/index.html Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 01:02:43PM -0500, JonMS2010@aol.com wrote: > >Would FreeBSD work pretty effectively on a P 133 with 32MB of RAM? I was >wondering if I should choose that as my OS or go look somewhere else for a >better solutions, as I read that the minimum requirements are pretty low. -- >Jonathan M. Slivko If it makes any difference to know this, I am writing this mail on a PC running 5.0-CURRENT on a Pentium 133, with exactly that amount of RAM. Yes, FreeBSD runs like a charm on my hardware. I have X11 installed, and when I need to view some pages with images, I fire up Netscape to view them. For the rest of my every day work, I am pretty satisfied with screen running on my /dev/ttyv1 :-) - giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 6 17:24:19 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 17:24:02 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (athserv.otenet.gr [195.170.0.1]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D379537B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:24:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from hades.hell.gr (patr530-b102.otenet.gr [195.167.121.230]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f071O1l13033; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:24:01 +0200 (EET) Received: (from charon@localhost) by hades.hell.gr (8.11.1/8.11.1) id f071PnF35724; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:25:49 +0200 (EET) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 03:25:48 +0200 From: Giorgos Keramidas To: JonMS2010@aol.com Cc: papalia@udel.edu, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Would this work? Message-ID: <20010107032547.A35235@hades.hell.gr> References: <6b.dbca2e9.277bd1b3@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <6b.dbca2e9.277bd1b3@aol.com>; from JonMS2010@aol.com on Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 06:13:55PM -0500 X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3A 75 52 EB F1 58 56 0D - C5 B8 21 B6 1B 5E 4A C2 X-URL: http://students.ceid.upatras.gr/~keramida/index.html Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, Dec 27, 2000 at 06:13:55PM -0500, JonMS2010@aol.com wrote: > >I was thinking of doing everything with it: mail, web, irc, smtp, etc. -- >Jonathan M. Slivko. All of these are things that I do perfectly well on my P5-133 w/ 32 MB of ram, on the console. KDE and Gnome referenced in some other posts are certainly memory hogs and I avoid them. I use fvwm2 though, and I can run a lot of X11 apps too. - giorgos To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 6 17:28:22 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 17:28:06 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r14.mail.aol.com (imo-r14.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.68]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA70637B402 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from JonMS2010@aol.com by imo-r14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id v.7c.fe4ff60 (3983); Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:26:55 -0500 (EST) From: JonMS2010@aol.com Message-ID: <7c.fe4ff60.27891fdf@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:26:55 EST Subject: Re: Would this work? To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr Cc: papalia@udel.edu, freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7c.fe4ff60.27891fdf_boundary" Content-Disposition: Inline X-Mailer: 6.0 sub 352 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org --part1_7c.fe4ff60.27891fdf_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well thanks for the encouragement :) -- Jonathan M. Slivko -- Jonathan M. Slivko Website: http://hometown.aol.com/JonMS2010 FreeBSD -- The Power To Serve! "Microsoft? Is that some kind of toilet paper?" -- --part1_7c.fe4ff60.27891fdf_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well thanks for the encouragement :) -- Jonathan M. Slivko

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Jonathan M. Slivko <JonMS2010@AOL.COM>
Website: http://hometown.aol.com/JonMS2010
FreeBSD -- The Power To Serve!

"Microsoft? Is that some kind of toilet paper?"
-- --part1_7c.fe4ff60.27891fdf_boundary-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 6 17:31:36 2001 From owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jan 6 17:31:20 2001 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from imo-r08.mx.aol.com (imo-r08.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.8]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E6A237B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.35.) id n.48.fc2ed22 (4155) for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:31:17 -0500 (EST) From: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Message-ID: <48.fc2ed22.278920e5@aol.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 20:31:17 EST Subject: mac and windows fbsd code To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 59 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org hey guys i was just wondering what you guys thought about mac using fbsd source code in there new OS... and windows is supposed to be using fbsd source code in there new networking "operating system :)" that is coming out in like 6 months, do you guys think this is good, bad , who cares? just wondering To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 6 18:25:17 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from beastie.bertrandtech.on.ca (beastie.bertrandtech.on.ca [209.167.177.171]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3742837B400 for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:25:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from grendel.bertrandtech.on.ca (cr120189-a.pr1.on.wave.home.com [24.114.29.31]) by beastie.bertrandtech.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4BAB48; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 02:25:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from grendel.bts (grendel.bts [192.168.250.4]) by grendel.bertrandtech.on.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575C111D0C; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:52:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:52:15 -0500 (EST) From: Louis Bertrand X-Sender: louis@grendel.bts To: GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com Cc: freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: mac and windows fbsd code In-Reply-To: <48.fc2ed22.278920e5@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org That's the whole point of the Berkeley-style license. It encourages re-use of good code rather than re-implementations that are often rushed for time and full of holes. Didn't know about Microsoft's latest effort. Maybe their networking stack will improve. Ciao --Louis On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 GLOBALLINK2001@aol.com wrote: > hey guys i was just wondering what you guys thought about mac using fbsd > source code in there new OS... and windows is supposed to be using fbsd > source code in there new networking "operating system :)" that is coming out > in like 6 months, do you guys think this is good, bad , who cares? just > wondering > > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-newbies" in the body of the message From owner-freebsd-newbies Sat Jan 6 18:38: 4 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-newbies@freebsd.org Received: from pegasus.cyberstreet.com (pegasus.cyberstreet.com [204.117.207.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD0637B69C for ; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 18:36:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from connectiveinn01 ([207.30.55.144]) by pegasus.cyberstreet.com (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 114-12414) with SMTP id AAA163; Sat, 6 Jan 2001 21:38:10 -0500 Message-ID: <001b01c077ee$c51e8f50$0938fea9@connectiveinn01> From: charles@cyberstreet.com (Chet Filanowski) To: Cc: References: <7c.fe4ff60.27891fdf@aol.com> Subject: Re: Would this work? Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 09:41:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C077C4.DB8E10F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Sender: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C077C4.DB8E10F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable why would someone who uses AOL hate Microsoft. maybe your computer = crashes all the time because of the AOL software. AOL is the worst you = can get and feel sorry about someone who pays 25 month to read ads and = crash their computer...=20 AOL.... an example that with good marketing you can sell dog crap to = anyone. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JonMS2010@aol.com=20 To: keramida@ceid.upatras.gr=20 Cc: papalia@udel.edu ; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG=20 Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 8:26 PM Subject: Re: Would this work? Well thanks for the encouragement :) -- Jonathan M. Slivko=20 --=20 Jonathan M. Slivko =20 Website: http://hometown.aol.com/JonMS2010=20 FreeBSD -- The Power To Serve!=20 "Microsoft? Is that some kind of toilet paper?"=20 --=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C077C4.DB8E10F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
why would someone who uses AOL hate = Microsoft.=20 maybe your computer crashes all the time because of the AOL software. = AOL is the=20 worst you can get and feel sorry about someone who pays 25 month to read = ads and=20 crash their computer...
 
AOL.... an example that with  good = marketing=20 you can sell dog crap to anyone.
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From:=20 JonMS2010@aol.com
Cc: papalia@udel.edu ; freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG=20
Sent: Saturday, January 06, = 2001 8:26=20 PM
Subject: Re: Would this = work?

Well thanks for the encouragement :) -- Jonathan = M. Slivko=20

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Jonathan M. Slivko <JonMS2010@AOL.COM> =
Website: http://hometown.aol.com/JonMS2= 010=20
FreeBSD -- The Power To Serve!

"Microsoft? Is that some = kind of=20 toilet paper?"
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