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Topic Title: Anybody using Synergy/Change with DOORS
Topic Summary: DOORS Integration with Synergy/Change
Created On: 10-Jan-2006 23:26
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 10-Jan-2006 23:26
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Ewen Miller

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I was just wondering if anyone is using Synergy/Change and its integration with DOORS to replace the CPS?

If so, how are you finding it?




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Ewen Miller

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 11-Jan-2006 11:50
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Graham Stradling

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We're currently mid trial, generally ok, we've spent a while re-configuring the lifecycle and adding attributes. The interface for doing this is a bit awkward - it's easy to forget to save changes or miss things.

Actual usability is generally good from the user POV, although opening/closing a module can be sluggish (this may be due to our trial hardware in part)

One thing I have noted and not chased up yet is that there is the option to not have all attributes under change control, but once change control is configured on a module you cannot open the module in an edit mode, so attributes not under control can become virtually unusable.

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 11-Jan-2006 13:31
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Karen Hidalgo

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We are also looking into using Synergy/Change and DOORS. Is it possible for multiple users to submit changes at the same time?

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 11-Jan-2006 17:08
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Graham Stradling

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Yes - there is some conflict resolution required if CRs are on the same object, but it handles multiple CRs in one module ok

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 11-Jan-2006 20:44
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Ewen Miller

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Thanks for the replies. We're about to trial it.

It would be good to keep this thres updated, so we can all benefit from each others' experiences.

Regards,

Ewen Miller
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 1-Mar-2006 16:21
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Sandy Busque

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Edited: 1-Mar-2006 at 16:28 by Sandy Busque
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 8-Mar-2006 15:58
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Frank Lipski

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I have recently started using the DOORS - Synergy Integration. I am quite frustrated by the integration. In theory it sounds and looks good. However, I have been having nothing but problems with the integration.

I am using it on a completely development setup. I am running DOORS 8.0.06, along with the latest integration 5.1.2 to Change 4.4, as far as I know, everything is "out of the box".

Pretty much I have been stepping through the basic operations as described in the Synergy/Change DOORS Intgration manual and things are just now working. For example, within DOORS I attempt to do a review, and do not get a view that defines the proposed changes. I get a pop-up stating that No Requirement Proposal associated with RCR and then don't get the Review View provided.

If I attempt to apply the changes, with no real reason given the changes are not made to DOORS, but the ECR goes to applied.

It may be that I did something incorrect when I set up the Configuration Template, but again, I just selected everything that it provided as defaults. Certainly IMO, this is one area that needs a better description/instructons on what is happening when you do this.


I have been able to examine the proposed changes from the synergy side. However, there doesn't appear to be an option to show changes in attributes as redlines. This would be extremely helpful.
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 8-Mar-2006 16:05
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Sandy Busque

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Frank, we are also just starting to use integration. Since DOORS is already running at our company the users were setup differently than in Change. Corrected this problem. I am not quite sure how this integration is suppose to work. At first I did not get a default RCR. Set up one in Change and now I get one. Isn't this suppose to happen from DOORS? Since you are further down the road than us can you shed some light on this? Thanks. Sandy
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 8-Mar-2006 16:24
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Frank Lipski

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Sandy,
It somewhat depends upon the life cycle model you are using in Synergy.
Once a module has been placed in the integration, you must have an RCR to make any proposed changes, otherwise the module will open Read-Only. It will prompt you for a default RCR to use when you first attempt to open the module in an edit mode. However, the only RCRs that will be available are those that have been assigned to you.

RCRs can be created directly from DOORS or can be created in Change. As far as I have been able to tell, you can only assign the RCR from Change and not DOORS. In theory, all other aspects can be done in either tool.

Hope this helps.
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 8-Mar-2006 17:38
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Sandy Busque

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Frank, When in DOORS and have opened a module, how do you make another RCR? I find that it adds to your default RCR. Since I have made an RCR in Change, I am not sure if I am connecting correctly to get a new RCR from DOORS. We do have an RCR lifecycle. Running into a no template found error. This happens when I try to go from DOORS without an RCR already created via Change. Sandy
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 8-Mar-2006 19:53
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Richard Good

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Sandy,
You can submit an RCR from DOORS or Synergy then you have to get it assigned to yourself from within Synergy, you can then select the new RCR as your default in the usual manner.

Anybody whose Interested,
I have had a good play with the integration and have had a fair few moans to the consultants things like:

a) You can't edit non change synergy control attributes in a configured module, ie managment etc can't add comments (bit of a major bind). You'd for ever be creating dummy RCRs so people could add comments
b) You can't create baselines when a module is under change synergy control, you have to switch it off baseline then switch it on, it crashes if you don't, managed to lock a couple of modules up
c) Seems very slow when you open and close modules as all the changes handled by Synergy have to be loaded in on entry and saved on exit.
d) Its very difficult/ impossible to send proposed changes handled by Synergy to sub contractors without writing some sort of dxl to create a temporary module
e) You can no longer get a proper project archive and hence have to rely on Computer Services in case of a catastrophic corruption in Synergy or DOORS, more than a bit worrying.
f) big list of other probs somwhere but these are the few that stuck in my mind, haven't touched it for a while

In short I don't think the integration is mature enough/ reliably enough/ well tested enough for serious use

I will almost certainly change my mind in a few releases time as it is a powerful/ good idea and somthing that managment would probably love, it just smells like a beta release at the moment.

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 14-Mar-2006 12:50
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Frank Lipski

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Richard,
I would appreciate if you could send me (off list to frank.lipski@baesystems.com) a complete list of the other problems you found (item f).

Have you submitted as either problem reports or enhancement requests you found? Doing that is one way to help get those problems resolved. The more people that submit these problem reports/enhancement requests the better chance they have of getting fixed. So I encourage everyone to submit this on a regular basis.

I certainly agree that item a) is a major flaw. Another nit that I have, which possibly may contribute to slow opening is to attempt to force you to select a default RCR. It might be better to just open the module Read Only inform the user that the module is under configuration control and you will need to select a default RCR. What I observe is that often there is not one even assigned to me, so it goes through this gyrations and just get to read-only anyway.

Frank
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 16-Mar-2006 15:40
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Jean-Louis Vignaud

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Hi Richard,

Regarding your list, I'd like to confirm the following points:

a) This has been addressed in integration 5.1.2 that went out in February 2006

c) This has been partly addressed in 5.1.2 (for the open module time) and 5.1.3 will significantly improve the save time. 5.1.3 is targeted to be released along with DOORS 8.1 and SYNERGY/Change 4.5 during Q2.

Thanks for your input,
Jean-Louis

Edited: 16-Mar-2006 at 15:41 by Jean-Louis Vignaud
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 24-Mar-2006 20:14
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Frank Lipski

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Jean-Louis,
Finally got to install and correctly test out the latest integration. Spent a while using the help desk to resolve problems with the installation, mainly relating to the fact that I had to go back to the Synergy server and update the doors_cs_process package.

Anyway, with regards to being able to change an attribute that is not in the integration being fixed in 5.1.2, I don't see how this is possible. I believe you will still need to have some dummy RCR that is assigned to you. Otherwise, you can not get open a module in exclusive (or shared) edit mode. Am I missing something?

I intent to spend a fair amount of time experimenting with the integration and hope to have some good discussions on the integration in Boston.

Frank
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 11-Apr-2006 10:55
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Jean-Louis Vignaud

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Hi Frank,

In 5.1.2 you'll have to select a dummy RCR in order to be able to open a module in edit mode.

In 5.1.4 scheduled in May and that will run with S/change 4.5 and DOORS 8.1 we plan to add the following functional enhancements:
- Ability to open a module under change control in edit mode without selecting a RCR in order to modify non controled attributes,
- Ability to create a DOORS baseline when a module is under change control when applying approved RCRs.

I hope to see you in Boston,

Regards,
Jean-Louis
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