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Topic Title: More USRPROPs questions
Topic Summary: Is this mini language cumbersome or what?
Created On: 6-Jun-2006 01:06
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 6-Jun-2006 01:06
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Duane Hennessy

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Few questions:

1. Is the USRPROPS file the same for 10.4 as it is for every other version?
2. Is there a GUI system to help build USRPROPS? (If not I'll build one and will be looking for beta testers).
3. If you are interested in a GUI utility to help build USRPROPS please let me know so I have a count of expression of interest.

I've been battling with this properties file for two days and still can't get it to do what I want >:-/

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 7-Jun-2006 05:58
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Martin Berman

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1  The Release Notes (Whats new document) for 10.4  show a few additional keywords for USRPROPS for use in the matrix (FILL COLOR, FONT COLOR, PEN COLOR) otherwise it is more or less the same, I think.
2. Dont know of any GUI's; although using a decent programmers editor may help a bit.  Would be great if someone customises an Editor (such as Crimson Editor) so that it understood at least some aspects of the syntax, e.g. key words were coloured
3 Yep - I am interested if you develop some form of GUI.  You can contact me directly on martin.berman@impactplus.com
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 7-Jun-2006 06:11
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Duane Hennessy

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I have crimson editor and have set up the colour syntax for it. You can download the customisation from the Crimson Editor web site

http://www.crimsoneditor.com

Look under Syntax Files  and search for System Architect in the search box below the Syntax Files list. Once you have unzipped them and dropped them into your spec folder under Crimson, it will show up as SA_UsrProps under Document|Syntax Type.

I'll contact you regarding the GUI.

Edited: 7-Jun-2006 at 06:19 by Duane Hennessy
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 7-Jun-2006 18:17
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Adam Basye

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I would also be interested in the GUI.  I have been using System Architect, and USERPROPS since 9.1.23, and I have always just edited USERPROPS via a text editor like wordpad. 

You can contact me directley at basyea@saic.com

Thanks,

Adam Basye
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 7-Jun-2006 23:07
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Duane Hennessy

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Welcome aboard :-)
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 1-Feb-2007 15:41
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Dave Keifer

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I would dearly love to have a GUI for USRPROPS and would be more than happy to beta test it. Dave dkeifer@christianacare.org
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 1-Feb-2007 19:13
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David Simmons

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I also would be interested in the GUI. David.Simmons@itt.com

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 1-Feb-2007 22:36
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Duane Hennessy

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I've had a few people contact me over this so I'd better get cracking. It stopped for a while because of work commitments, but they have eased off.

There's a couple of ways I can do this.

- A compilable .exe and .bin file (for windows and mac) cos I use both OSs.
- A Java based version.

The .exe would be me working with REALBasic which is a basic language IDE provided by RealSoftware. Only Issue with this is it will solely be built by myself most likely.

Java on the other hand means I can use other resources and open source it. So it would be like Crimson Editor (which I also wouldn't mind emulating for the text side of the GUI).

So far I have a resource for Java (I think) and I have someone willing to help with the GUI side of things.

Any thoughts...

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 6-Feb-2007 20:37
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Adam Basye

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I am just interested in obtaining a GUI for it as well.  Please add me to the list;

adam@basyes.com
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 7-Feb-2007 20:47
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Dave Keifer

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I expect that Java will be harder to do but will be more universal and have a smaller footprint. My team are happy to help with testing. Dave
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 7-Feb-2007 22:34
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Duane Hennessy

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Thanks Dave. I decided last night that Java would be the way to go. Here's why: - A Java project would allow anyone to continue it should anything happen to the original team. - It allows the compilation of code so that test run dialogs can be created that simulate the forms created in design view. - The separation of the GUI editor and Language editor would be easier, meaning I could outsource some parts of the project to other interested Java developers without them ever having to know anything about System Architect. - It would guarantee compatibility with new OS's (like Vista) and other OS's. - I can run script over the classes and extract documentation. It will be worth it. I'll start talking to my Java friend on the weekend and plan this GUI. Thanks for the support guys.
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 12-Feb-2007 21:51
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Ian Souchard

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There is a distinct possibility that the USRPROPS language will be replaced by MOF (Meta Object Facility), an XML/UML based language for defining repository structures. Popkin were talking about this a couple of years ago...
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 12-Feb-2007 22:53
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Duane Hennessy

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Thanks Ian. I emailed Telelogic here in Oz and asked them about it. With the structure I am looking at for the application, it will be a component addition.
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 13-Feb-2007 04:02
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Dale Moore

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I believe in this area that System Architect appears rather dated at how changes are made to the definitions / diagrams.  Having to edit a text file with a custom scripting language went the same way as batch files didn't it?  I checked out an eval version of a competing product and theirs is done in a GUI editor which makes it a lot easier. 

Using a GUI allows the application itself to check syntax and consistency at the time the change is made rather than having to import the file, reopen the encyclopedia and then discover you missed a }.

Just my musings anyway.  I think that Telelogic should definitely investigate providing a GUI of some sorts.
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 14-Feb-2007 11:46
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SA Team

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Duane> Probably only suggesting the obvious but...I suggest you structure your app such that the read/writer part is not tightly coupled with your UI. This way, if the props file changes to be XML (or something else) in the future you do not have too much work to fit it to the new format.

BTW: I don't think the props file is changing any time soon - to my knowledge anyway. (I don't make the decisions though, so don't hold me to that   )

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 14-Feb-2007 11:48
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SA Team

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We do have 'EditPlus' files which colour the syntax of props if anyone is interested.
I might see if I can get them put in the knowledgebase

Ian



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 14-Feb-2007 21:55
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Duane Hennessy

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Yep, the GUI, text editor and reader and writer will be separate Java components. That's the beauty of Java I guess.

I've been reading the GNU licencing terms and have been looking at SourceForge for opening a project. My Java friend is also interested, which is good as she has a bit more experience in Java than myself.

Thanks for the heads up.

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 15-Feb-2007 11:47
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SA Team

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To anyone who is interested the EditPlus files are now in the knowledge base.

https://support.telelogic.com/en/sa/kb/show_content.cfm?id=13326

Thanks
Ian

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 18-Dec-2007 15:41
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Gabriel Ortiz

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Duane,

Did anything ever come out of this project?
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 18-Dec-2007 17:19
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Dave Keifer

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At the Americas User Group Conference in Atlanta Telelogic did a presentation where they talked about doing a UI to do basic editing of usrprops. It would not totally eliminate editing the text file but sounded very promising. When I spoke with them my impression was that most of what we are doing when editing usrprops could be done in the UI.

Someone from Telelogic could provide more details.

The expected delivery was the 1st half of 2008. Possibly in 11.1?

Dave
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