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Topic Title: More USRPROPs questions Topic Summary: Is this mini language cumbersome or what? Created On: 6-Jun-2006 01:06 Status: Read Only |
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Few questions: |
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1 The Release Notes (Whats new document) for 10.4 show a few additional keywords for USRPROPS for use in the matrix (FILL COLOR, FONT COLOR, PEN COLOR) otherwise it is more or less the same, I think.
2. Dont know of any GUI's; although using a decent programmers editor may help a bit. Would be great if someone customises an Editor (such as Crimson Editor) so that it understood at least some aspects of the syntax, e.g. key words were coloured 3 Yep - I am interested if you develop some form of GUI. You can contact me directly on martin.berman@impactplus.com |
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I have crimson editor and have set up the colour syntax for it. You can download the customisation from the Crimson Editor web site
http://www.crimsoneditor.com Look under Syntax Files and search for System Architect in the search box below the Syntax Files list. Once you have unzipped them and dropped them into your spec folder under Crimson, it will show up as SA_UsrProps under Document|Syntax Type. I'll contact you regarding the GUI. Edited: 7-Jun-2006 at 06:19 by Duane Hennessy |
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I would also be interested in the GUI. I have been using System Architect, and USERPROPS since 9.1.23, and I have always just edited USERPROPS via a text editor like wordpad.
You can contact me directley at basyea@saic.com Thanks, Adam Basye |
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Welcome aboard :-)
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I would dearly love to have a GUI for USRPROPS and would be more than happy to beta test it. Dave dkeifer@christianacare.org
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I also would be interested in the GUI.
David.Simmons@itt.com
------------------------- David Simmons |
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I've had a few people contact me over this so I'd better get cracking. It stopped for a while because of work commitments, but they have eased off. |
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I am just interested in obtaining a GUI for it as well. Please add me to the list;
adam@basyes.com |
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I expect that Java will be harder to do but will be more universal and have a smaller footprint. My team are happy to help with testing.
Dave
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Thanks Dave. I decided last night that Java would be the way to go. Here's why:
- A Java project would allow anyone to continue it should anything happen to the original team.
- It allows the compilation of code so that test run dialogs can be created that simulate the forms created in design view.
- The separation of the GUI editor and Language editor would be easier, meaning I could outsource some parts of the project to other interested Java developers without them ever having to know anything about System Architect.
- It would guarantee compatibility with new OS's (like Vista) and other OS's.
- I can run script over the classes and extract documentation.
It will be worth it. I'll start talking to my Java friend on the weekend and plan this GUI. Thanks for the support guys.
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There is a distinct possibility that the USRPROPS language will be replaced by MOF (Meta Object Facility), an XML/UML based language for defining repository structures. Popkin were talking about this a couple of years ago...
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Thanks Ian. I emailed Telelogic here in Oz and asked them about it. With the structure I am looking at for the application, it will be a component addition.
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I believe in this area that System Architect appears rather dated at how changes are made to the definitions / diagrams. Having to edit a text file with a custom scripting language went the same way as batch files didn't it? I checked out an eval version of a competing product and theirs is done in a GUI editor which makes it a lot easier.
Using a GUI allows the application itself to check syntax and consistency at the time the change is made rather than having to import the file, reopen the encyclopedia and then discover you missed a }. Just my musings anyway. I think that Telelogic should definitely investigate providing a GUI of some sorts. |
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Duane> Probably only suggesting the obvious but...I suggest you structure your app such that the read/writer part is not tightly coupled with your UI. This way, if the props file changes to be XML (or something else) in the future you do not have too much work to fit it to the new format.
BTW: I don't think the props file is changing any time soon - to my knowledge anyway. (I don't make the decisions though, so don't hold me to that ![]() ------------------------- Senior Software Developer Telelogic UK Ltd. |
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We do have 'EditPlus' files which colour the syntax of props if anyone is interested. ------------------------- Senior Software Developer Telelogic UK Ltd. |
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Yep, the GUI, text editor and reader and writer will be separate Java components. That's the beauty of Java I guess. |
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To anyone who is interested the EditPlus files are now in the knowledge base.
https://support.telelogic.com/en/sa/kb/show_content.cfm?id=13326 Thanks Ian ------------------------- Senior Software Developer Telelogic UK Ltd. |
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Duane,
Did anything ever come out of this project? |
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At the Americas User Group Conference in Atlanta Telelogic did a presentation where they talked about doing a UI to do basic editing of usrprops. It would not totally eliminate editing the text file but sounded very promising. When I spoke with them my impression was that most of what we are doing when editing usrprops could be done in the UI.
Someone from Telelogic could provide more details. The expected delivery was the 1st half of 2008. Possibly in 11.1? Dave |
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